22nd World Martial Arts Tournament arc. Shen is shown to be roughly the same age as Roshi, who is over 300 years old by the end of dbz, roshi's age is explained in various ways, so shen must have done the same? The brothers always had a rivalry and where broken apart over a simple spilled bowl of rice. He was born just 2 years before the King Piccolo wars which his brother served in. GSP_37 Titanium Belt. ... more skilled? whose... Kumesen'nin? Can Wesker's superhuman abilities hope to compete with Tao… He wears a green Crane School changshan (Chinese men's coat, also known as a changpao) with yellow sleeves and red lining, as well as a black Chinese skullcap with a model of a crane's head on the top and black glasses. Boomstick: Its rival was none other than the Crane School led by its master Shen, whom had a fierce rivalry with Roshi way back. How can there be someone in that place.” Mercenary Tao sneered. “Yes, Master!” Tien Shinhan spoke without hesitation. 9 Episode 136: Tien Shinhan vs. Mercenary Tao (8.2) The original Dragon Ball loved its World Martial Arts Tournament, this episode takes place in the Piccolo Jr Saga during the 23 rd tournament. But, Mercenary Tao didn’t know that Master Shen had also attempted the tower’s challenge when he was young but gave up halfway. [3] He decided to make him the Crane Hermit's brother..but he had established the Crane Hermit to be Roshi's rival; which meant Crane hermit had to be hundreds of years old. User Info: xLashx. Do you want me to go and kill that person?”The moment Mercenary Tao came in through the door, he was already speaking of “Killing someone”. Fountain of youth , or the elixer or something of sorts. Master Roshi vs Mercenary Tao nickzambuto. “Master!” Tien Shinhan called out. Master Shen's pupils are instructed that winning is everything and are trained to do so at any cost. With Monika Antonelli, Brice Armstrong, Victor Atelevich, John Burgmeier. Now with Tao Pai Pai, he isn't a sen'nin. After defeating Goku and gathering the Dragon Balls for Commander Red, Mercenary Tao decides to further test his strength by joining the next Martial Arts World Tournament. With his targets locked on Master Roshi’s pupils, Tao risks losing everything in the hopes of gaining the one thing he never possessed…revenge! When it was dark, he came to a dao hall, which is a stronghold of the crane immortal style, where the main person of the crane immortal style is here. His top to students were Tienshinhan and Chiaotzu, untill they abondonded his evil ways.He is also a rival of Master Roshi at one time they were friends but became enemies after the sealing of Demon King Piccolo.It is unkown what happend to him after Dragon Ball. He was contracted to get rid of Goku and to claim his Dragon Balls in the process. He is very expensive to pay as he normally charges ten billion Zeni per kill, but gave Commander Red a 20th anniversary discount of five billion Zeni (fifty million in the Japanese version). Master Shen and Mercenary Tao, likewise, began to fight over the smallest things. Even though he was older, Mercenary Tao was always one step ahead of him. Ordinary people only knew of an extremely tall divine tower in the forest of the northern hemisphere, but they don’t know what it represents. Tao Pai Pai (known in the English dub as Mercenary Tao) is an assassin and a major antagonist from the Red Ribbon Army Saga, the secondary antagonist in Piccolo Jr. Saga of the manga and anime series Dragon Ball, and later appears as a minor antagonist inDragon Ball Z. But the original style was learnt from Roshi/Shen master. Master Shen is the brother of Mercenary Tao and leader of the Crane school. Master Shen is the Crane Hermit (鶴仙人, Tsurusen'nin), master of the Crane School and Mercenary Tao's older brother. It couldn’t be considered training if one doesn’t experiences several decades of hardship. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, A subreddit for all things Dragon Ball! Wiz: Despite the insane age gap between the two, Tao quickly mastered martial arts and was always one step ahead of his older brother Shen. They typically in mythology are described as having long lives. He began his run as a genuine threat to a young Goku, summarily beating him to a pulp on multiple occasions before the Saiyan came back for revenge and nearly killed the man with a stray grenade. It was dark when they finally arrived at a building. discord.gg/dbz, Press J to jump to the feed. The match between Tien Shinhan and Mercenary Tao begins. Master Shen – Lão Hạc. “Ha ha ha, how is that possible…” Mercenary Tao laughed disdainfully, but he recalled something, suddenly, and asked doubtfully: “You are saying that a child injured Tien Shinhan?”, “Tien Shinhan was wounded by a blonde girl amongst those people.”. Dương Thanh Lin Dragon Ball, Nhân vật phụ, Piccolo Saga 27/04/2017. In his eyes, there weren’t many people who could go head to head with him, except for his older brother Master Shen, and that old turtle who pursues fame and compliments. Vegetto1089. and tao did the same as well, even if his shen's younger brother he must be hundreds of years old or adopted or half brother. “Master!” Tien Shinhan called out. Tao was born in 459 Age just two years before the King Piccolo Wars which his brother Shen served in. The man, and one female were slightly older while the other two females were little girls. Mercenary Tao, also known as Tao Pai Pai ( Tao Pai Pai), is an antagonist in the Dragon Ball manga, and the anime Dragon Ball, also making two filler appearances in Dragon Ball Z.He is a highly skilled assassin-for-hire, as well as the younger brother of Master Shen. He wears a pink chang pao (Chinese men's longcoat, also known as a changshan) with the kanji for satsu (\"kill\") on the front, pointing to his career as an assassin. The attitude became tough: “You can’t kill me, or mine.” Big Brother Master Shen won’t let you go. Tao Pai-Pai is a highly skilled assassin-for-hire and the younger brother of the Crane Hermit Master Shen who was the one who trained him. It was dark when they finally arrived at a building. He somewhat didn’t dare to believe what he had just heard. Master Shen was very satisfied with his two students. They began to fight over the smallest things. I'll assume … Report. And, the person who had killed InoShikaCho has an aura more powerful than Master’s?”. Suddenly, he realized that the martial arts world that he was familiar with had, at some unknown time, become unfamiliar. A sen'nin is a hermit who give up their desires in life. “Oh, by the way, Master, that person also mentioned Korin Tower. Rob Lucci vs Mercenary Tao Blade_R. Tien seems to be a lot stronger than Tao and tries to escort him out of the ring until Tao takes off one of his cybernetic hands revealing a knife. Roshi, right after he incapacitated Tenshinhan but before he went to use the Mafuuba on Piccolo, established that there was no such thing as the Water of Immortality, and that he was lying about there being such a thing. Master Shen (鶴仙人, Tsurusen'nin), thường gọi là Lão Hạc, là hiệu trưởng của trường võ thuật Crane và anh trai của Mercenary Tao. “What skills can a little girl have… wait, you just said ‘among those people’. He is a highly skilled assassin-for-hire, as well as the younger brother of Master Shen. Watch Dragon Ball - Season 5, Episode 14 - Tien Shinhan vs Mercenary Tao: The match between Tien Shinhan and Mercenary Tao begins. Is that Korin, Kami (Probably not). At the age 279 he started his career as a mercenary and became a word famous assassin. ... Sub Zero vs Mercenary Tao ( ゼロ以下 VS 桃白白 ) - Duration: 2:25. xLashx 9 years ago #2. Unlike with Kumesen'nin, he was able to because he was pure. and probably mercenary tao, who is his younger brother but cant be that much younger. Forum Posts. He is a highly skilled assassin-for-hire, as well as the younger brother of Master Shen. “Sigh, one of them mentioned Korin Tower. Master Shen and Mercenary Tao, likewise, began to fight over the smallest things. The simple answer: Tao is much stronger, because Roshi was near-equal to Goku in the 21st Budokai, and then Tao beat Goku up when he was even stronger than that. Loading... Unsubscribe from Vegito1089? Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Liked it? What style of martial arts does Mercenary Tao use in the dragon ball? “Is that the tower that guy, Master Roshi, climbed? Follow 29288. Regarding his martial nephew Tien Shinhan, Mercenary Tao was quite concerned. General Blue vs Mercenary Tao / Bora then Goku vs Mercenary Tao : General Blue - 112 Goku - 120 Bora - 82 Upa - 1 Mercenary Tao - 145 Goku's Kamehameha - 130 Mercenary Tao's Dodon Ray - 150 Goku vs Korin / Goku vs Mercenary Tao : Commander Red - 6 Staff Officier Black - 70 Colonel Violet - 32 Goku - 120 Upa - 1 Master Korin - 190 He was born just 2 years before the King Piccolo wars which his brother served in. Thanks to some new biotechnology, Tao has entered the World Martial Arts Tournament with terrible new powers! Master Shen fled, while swearing revenge on Tien. 0. Mercenary Tao vs Master Roshi Vegito1089. Once they find out about Goku's Great Ape form, Master Shen and Mercenary Tao would force Goku to go into the Great Ape form every time there is a full moon until Goku completely masters his Great Ape form. R2: Red Ribbon HQ + Officer Black, Generals Blue, White, and Copper How are master shen and mercenary tao so old? Tien Shinhan nodded vigorously, walked out from the entrance of the building together with Chiaotzu, went down the spiraling mountain road, and quickly disappeared into the hazy mist. re: Master Roshi vs Mercenary Tao Roshi is a pile of blood. 87 . Browse more videos. Mercenary Tao’s countenance immediately turned gloomy. Wiki Points. The fact that the Sacred Land of Korin was regarded as the sacred land of martial arts wasn’t baseless because many schools have originated from there; however, Mercenary Tao doesn’t believe that Korin Tower is magical. That is only a dub name. Wiz: The Turtle School, the martial arts school that trained the Z-fighters, including none other than Son Goku, and led by Master Roshi. He is a highly skilled assassin-for-hire, as well as the younger brother of Master Shen. 5083. Our website is made possible by displaying online advertisements to our visitors. Follow 29288. He was just about to speak when he saw Master Shen raise his hand, stopping him. He recalled his experience in that small town, two years ago. Fight starts in the Cell Games arena. His top to students were Tienshinhan and Chiaotzu, untill they abondonded his evil ways.He is also a rival of Master Roshi at one time they were friends but became enemies after the sealing of Demon King Piccolo.It is unkown what happend to him after Dragon Ball. Master Shen was a martial artist who had lived for several hundred years, after all. Tao has been to sent to kill Roshi by his older brother the Crane Hermit. XenoSagaWingly 9 years ago #1. “Master, when we rushed over, InoShikaCho had already been killed by someone. User Info: XenoSagaWingly. “The person who injured Tien Shinhan is not ordinary!” Master Shen sat upright on a bench and held a pot of tea in his hand. A rivalry then grew between them. He was slightly startled at the sight of his injured student, and his expression immediately became gloomy. and probably mercenary tao, who … 0. Master Shen is brother to the notorious Mercenary Tao and eternally bitter rival to Master Roshi. Shen is not his actual name. Tao is the brother of the Crane School’s Master Shen and they bare a striking resemblance. He is a highly skilled assassin-for-hire, as well as the younger brother of Master Shen. Followers. Only Master Roshi, that fool would have climbed Korin Tower. Naturally, as the earth’s number one assassin, Mercenary Tao’s fighting ability was one of the best on earth. Reviews: 0. On the other side, Tien Shinhan left the mountain village with Chiaotzu’s support. He effortlessly dominates Krillin in the first round, much to Jackie Chun's horror. “Umm, there is a clue. i don't own anything from this video. Muten Roshi schmeißt jemanden raus mit Tenshinhan! At that time, he was sent flying from just a palm wind by a seemingly very ordinary boy. Do you know something?” Perceiving the change in Mercenary Tao’s countenance, Master Shen asked. re: Mercenary Tao + Crane Hermit vs Tambourine + Cymbal The mutated Namekians take it. im guessing by master Shen , you mean his rival the crane hermit (his name was translated as Master Shen in Dubs). In his opinion, even his master’s aura was far from her equal. In the early hours of a slightly cold autumn’s day, a cold wind blew. Tien Shinhan and Chiaotzu responded and withdrew with belly-full of doubts. 87 . Unfortunately there is not anything describing why he is old in the series or any of the guide books. 0. Forum Posts. Is it a Martial Arts School like Orin Temple?”. Master Shen's pupils are instructed that winning is everything and are trained to do so at any cost. Together with the perplexing gloomy weather, tiny lights flickered in the middle of the mountain. Wasn’t the other person alone?” Mercenary Tao asked with a frown. Chapter 182 Master Shen and Mercenary Tao. and probably mercenary tao, who … please toei have a sense of honor!! Menu. “Where the hell did these people come from? 1 Description 2 Interlude 3 Mercenary Tao 4 Albert Wesker 5 DEATH BATTLE! Which Roshi we talking about? Read The Strongest Legend of Dragon Ball - CHAPTER 182 MASTER SHEN AND MERCENARY TAO online free from your Mobile, PC at Novelhall.com “Yes!” Tien Shinhan replied, and then he explained everything that happened when they encountered Xiaya. Master Shen shook his head and said: “This Korin Tower is the most sacred place of martial arts on earth. Appearances. He is very expensive as he normally charges ten billion Zeni per kill, but gave Commander Red a 20th anniversary discount in five billion Zeni. Master Shen and Mercenary Tao decides that they will raise Goku as an assassin and yes he would still be named Goku for the sake of this what if scenario. There is another Shen that you may have heard of who is what Kami entered as in the 23rd Tenkaichi Budokai. Vegito1089 31,305 views. © 2018-2020 Novels.pl - All rights reserved. Master Shen’s countenance changed greatly, and a terrifying, bloodcurdling aura erupted out from his body. How are master shen and mercenary tao so old? Regarding the strength of Blonde-haired Launch, Tien Shinhan could still make some judgment, but the one who had taken action at the start, Myers, was like a deep cave, and Tien Shinhan couldn’t determine her real strength. DB Crane School: Mercenary Tao, Master Shen, Tien Shinhan (Student), Chiaotzu (Student) RR Army: R1: Muscle Tower. Shen (the Crane hermit) is in the audience cheering for his brother Tao. As the younger brother of Master Shen, Tien and Chiaotzu's original master, Tao has the martial arts skills to hold his own against most standard fighters in the Dragon Ball universe. If it is really that person, I had better not go look for them to take revenge.” Mercenary Tao words were evasive, and then he spoke of his encounter two years ago. I know Tao was stronger than Master Shen but how did he compare to Roshi? Episode 136 Mercenary Tao starts the fight confident that he will quickly defeat Tien, but instead finds himself far outclassed. “What? Just think of him as the odd ball because he is old in the general standard of life in Dragn Ball. Mercenary Tao (桃白白 or タオパイパイ, Tao Pai Pai) is an antagonist in the Dragon Ball manga, and the anime Dragon Ball, also making two filler appearances in Dragon Ball Z. Mercenary Tao is a character in the manga and anime Dragon Ball/Dragon Ball Z.He is Master Shen's younger brother and a highly skilled assassin-for-hire. Mercenary Tao calmed his face and didn’t know what he was thinking. Mercenary Tao vs. Tien Edit. Take a second to support Novels on Patreon! Even though he was older, Mercenary Tao was always one step ahead of him. Although his personality was somewhat sinister, he didn’t lack the wisdom of a martial artist. So there is not much to provide besides he is the odd ball. “Master, I want to go out with Chiaotzu for a period of time for training.” Tien Shinhan bowed to Master Shen. ! Then at some point, Shen had himself a younger brother... Tao. Mercenary Tao vs Master Roshi. Release Calendar DVD & Blu-ray Releases Top Rated Movies Most Popular Movies Browse Movies by Genre Top Box Office Showtimes & Tickets Showtimes & Tickets In Theaters Coming Soon Coming Soon Movie News India Movie Spotlight. Topic Archived; You're browsing the GameFAQs Message Boards as a guest. Many experts could be found in both these schools. 20 years later Tao … Whilst they both trained at the Mutaito Training Academy, a rivalry quickly grew between Shen and Master Roshi. “Hmm?” Master Shen held a teacup and took a sip of tea. Dragonball Super 101 GER SUB. And if they're related, Tao Pai Pai can't be that much younger than Crane Hermit. Tao Pai Pai (known in the English dub as Mercenary Tao) is an assassin and a major antagonist from the Red Ribbon Army Saga, the secondary antagonist in Piccolo Jr. Saga of the manga and anime series Dragon Ball, and later appears as a minor antagonist inDragon Ball Z. This building was the base of the Crane School, where its members lives. Tien Shinhan fights Mercenary Tao in the first quarter-final match of the World Martial Arts Tournament. Their rivalry was so extreme to the point … Master Roshi vs Mercenary Tao. Whilst they both trained at the Mutaito Training Academy, a rivalry quickly grew between Shen and Master Roshi. As a young man, he had dark blue hair worn in the same styl… Mercenary Tao vs. Albert Wesker is a What-If? Mercenary Tao (桃白白 Tao Pai Pai) is a highly skilled assassin-for-hire and the younger brother of Master Shen.He is very expensive to pay as he normally charges ten billion Zeni per kill, but gave Commander Red a 20th anniversary discount of five billion Zeni (fifty million in the Japanese version). Mercenary Tao ™ Mercenary Tao ™ ... Nam ™ Ranfan ™ Shenron ™ Suno ™ Turtle; Village Chief; Master Shen. His older student Tien Shinhan had only joined the school for a few years, but he has already learned the Crane School’s secret skill, “Dodon Ray”, which was comparable to Master Roshi’s legendary level technique, “Kamehameha”. Tien Shinhan fights Mercenary Tao in the first quarter-final match of the World Martial Arts Tournament. Master Shen vs. Tao Pai Pai Dragon Ball - General This is a split board - You can return to the Split List for other boards. Meaning that they give up wanting to reach enlightenment, needs, and preforming miracles. Chapter 184 Master Shen and Mercenary Tao . "Dragon Ball" Tien Shinhan vs. Mercenary Tao (TV Episode 2003) Chuck Huber as Master Shen. The most powerful and greatest schools in Earth’s martial arts world were the Turtle School and the Crane School, inherited from Master Mutaito. I don't think Toriyama was consciously writing Tao Pai Pai as hundreds of years old, or even to be crane Hermit's brother, until later on where connecting the two came about, perhaps on a whim. However, Tao is rebuilt as a cyborg by his older brother, and competes in the 23rd World Martial Arts Tournament, brutally defeating Chiaotzu. Master Shen (鶴仙人, Tsurusen'nin) is the master of the Crane School and Mercenary Tao's older brother. Share your thoughts, experiences and the tales behind the art. Tien defeated Shen's brother, the Mercenary Tao, in the 23rd World Martial Arts Tournament. Additionally, the one who attacked earlier than that even possesses skills above us.” Master Shen said in a gloomy voice. Master Shen and Tao Pai Pai, likewise, began to fight over the smallest things. Do you think they came from Sacred Land of Korin?” Master Shen asked. How powerful would an Android 17 and 18 made from Master Shen and Mercenary Tao be? Was it someone from that old turtle’s side? Master Shen is the master of the Crane School and Mercenary Tao's older brother. I think we need to cover one thing first. He is very expensive as he normally charges ten billion Zeni per kill, but gave Commander Red a 20th anniversary discount in five billion Zeni.. Tao has been known by a number of names in the various English versions of the series. According to Tien Shinhan, that boy, who was traveling together with the person who had injured Tien Shinhan, was probably the one who had sent him flying that day. Master Shen also known Crane Hermit (鶴仙人) is the older brother of Mercenary Tao and great uncle of Tao Jr. (introduced in Dragon Ball SF). Back on the subject of Tsurusen'nin ("Master Shen" in the dub, also known as Crane Master) and Kamesen'nin (Muten Roshi), they are both a sen'nin. Tao Pai-Pai is a highly skilled assassin-for-hire and the younger brother of the Crane Hermit Master Shen who was the one who trained him. The deadliest human assassin in the Dragon Ball world sets his sights on the Umbrella researcher-turned-harbinger of change. Master Shen is the brother of Mercenary Tao and leader of the Crane school. But as the master of a huge school, Master Shen didn’t lack patience. Mercenary Tao is back…and in a big way! This was a thorn in the heart of earth’s number one assassin, and the only experience that made him feel fear. I had you go look for InoShikaCho, so how did you get so seriously injured?” Master Shen inquired while somewhat angry. Mercenary Tao is a highly skilled assassin-for-hire and the younger brother of Master Shen. Followers. On the other side, Tien Shinhan left the mountain village with Chiaotzu’s support. Master Shen is an elderly man with a long face with sunken cheeks, a thin, pointed nose, a wide-parted "cat whisker" mustache, and medium-length blue-gray hair swept upwards to resemble a bird's wings, with a bald patch on the scalp. On Earth, only the famous old schools were privy to the secrets of Korin Tower. Contents[show] Mercenary Tao Edit Mercenary Tao (桃白白 Tao Pai Pai) is a highly skilled assassin-for-hire and the younger brother of Master Shen. After he had listened to Tien Shinhan’s narrative, Master Shen sucked in a breath of cold air and said: “Are you sure that the little girl who defeated you is the same age as you? That person you spoke of just now defeated you with only a palm wind?” Master Shen asked gloomily. What does Korin Tower refer to? in the 22nd budokai, Tien stated that after starting to fight seriously, Roshi was even stronger than his master. Koluhakazu. The brothers always had a rivalry and where broken apart over … Despite being disqualified, Tao continued to fight, and after Tien br… Serious. They also have the ability to ride clouds, like Kumesen'nin. Also known as the Hermit Crane, Master Shen is a former friend who became a rival of Master Roshi. If you kill me, it will only bring danger to your loved ones…” For your time: Click to expand... Crane Assasin heavyarms21, Jun 14, 2019 #8. Master Shen vs Mercenary Tao Archive. Soon, the door of the building opened, and a blue-haired crane-faced old man dressed in a green martial arts robe came out. Shen, the character who Kami was disguised himself to seal Piccolo using the Mafū-ba. Join Community. He began his run as a genuine threat to a young Goku, summarily beating him to a pulp on multiple occasions before the Saiyan came back for revenge and nearly killed the man with a stray grenade. Sign Up for free (or Log In if you already have an account) to be able to post messages, change how messages are displayed, and view media in posts. Reviews: 0. On the other side, Tien Shinhan left the mountain village with Chiaotzu’s support. If the assassin widely known as earth’s number one could be easily defeated by someone, then what would he and Master Shen be counted as in the eyes of others? General Blue vs Mercenary Tao / Bora then Goku vs Mercenary Tao : General Blue - 112 Goku - 120 Bora - 82 Upa - 1 Mercenary Tao - 145 Goku's Kamehameha - 130 Mercenary Tao's Dodon Ray - 150 Goku vs Korin / Goku vs Mercenary Tao : Commander Red - 6 Staff Officier Black - 70 Colonel Violet - 32 Goku - 120 Upa - 1 Master Korin - 190 1:52. “After you go out, speed up your training, and if you run into someone from the Turtle School, ruthlessly teach them a lesson for me!”. Tien Shin wasn’t an opponent of the perpetrators… and was defeated!” Chiaotzu was afraid that Master Shen would get angry, so he hurriedly explained. Suddenly he seemed to be understood and couldn’t change his life. Tao is an average-heighted man who, dispite being several centuries old, appears as if he is still in his late 40's or early 50's, with small, beady eyes, a pointed nose, a small thin mustache, with black hair tied into a braided ponytail. A rivalry then grew between them. Question Shen is shown to be roughly the same age as Roshi, who is over 300 years old by the end of dbz, roshi's age is explained in various ways, so shen must have done the same? The complicated answer: Roshi is much stronger, because after completing his training with Karin, Karin surmises that Goku may be stronger than Roshi now, but he can't be sure. Whilst they both trained at the Mutaito Training Academy, a rivalry quickly grew between Shen and Master Roshi. Therefore, it may not be a bad idea to go out and train for a period of time.”. Therefore, when Tien Shinhan proposed to go out on his own, Master Shen readily agreed. I honestly think Tao Pai Pai's age was a happy accident on Toriyama's part. 11 years ago | 1.5K views. After listening to Mercenary Tao’s recounting, Master Shen eyes widened. “I don’t know; that person is of mysterious origin. 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